I put my Hillary sign back up [UPDATED]

Can anyone honestly tell me how having Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State will tarnish the image of the United States?

Can anyone remember the cowboy diplomacy of "Dead or Alive", we will "Hunt him out", that cocky swagger into the United Nations W. did when he already decided to invade Iraq, the Mission Accomplished sign, the newspaper headings in foreign countries the day after the 2004 Election...my favorite reading "How can 53,000,000 people be wrong?"

Do any of you remember that?

Moreover, our current Secretary of State specializes in Russian affairs. How handy did that come into play the last four years.

Hillary is already showing broad support in the Senate for her confirmation, leaders across the globe are praising the choice (do the research), and let's not forget..........

OBAMA IS THE ONE WHO APPROACHED HILLARY.

He needs the smartest and the brightest...she will be the most loyal to our new President.

I put my Hillary sign back up with pride!

Update [2008-11-19 9:4:52 by mtg44234]: Per the Huffington Post, it looks like the vetting is going very smoothly... "Clinton has agreed to release the names of several major donors to his charitable foundation and will submit future foundation activities and paid speeches to a strict ethics review, said Democrats knowledgeable about the discussions. They also said that Clinton would step away from day-to-day responsibility for his foundation while his wife serves and would alert the State Department to his speaking schedule and any new sources of income. The Democrats spoke only on grounds of anonymity because of the private nature of the Cabinet-selection process." They have also noted the George Bush Sr. has done given a number of paid speeches and has participated in a number of international business dealings without ethical conflict... Looks like she is on her way...

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Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (2.00 / 1)

It's probably more complicated than you put it, but if Obama wants her and Bill's Global Initiative and stuff aren't toxic, then I say Hillary's "The One". He knows how to delegate and should have no problem dealing with problems with the appointment if they arise.


"But not me personally were those cheers for"
by QTG on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:29:54 AM EST

I agree. (2.00 / 3)

Obama's not exactly prone to making stupid decisions.


by Bob Sackamento on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:18:15 AM EST
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Re: I agree. (2.00 / 2)

there is a problem with the definition of new. it's not out with the old and in with the new, the new is more a position, toward excellence and toward getting things done.  If Barack wants Joe to keep heading homeland security, which wouldn't be my idea of a good committee chairman, he's got his reasons. I'd guess it has to do with practicality.  

HIs choice of Hillary works so well, for many reasons. Her excellence and work ethic and the fact that they do agree on foreign policy principles.  but more than that he's made me trust him, that he's not a vengeful guy, eager to use his power for revenge, which is how I saw Teddy Kennedy in his brush off her request and her homework, and how Bush has been operating from the get go.  He's also shown that the primary was a competition and each of them used their few chances to differentiate themselves from the other one. They were so close on so much, there was little. She showed she didn't mean it when she cast aspersions on his readiness and experience, and he now shows he didn't mean it when he said she wasn't trustworthy and that she was polarizing. That's the primary campaign stuff, both wanted to win.  

but now it's time to govern, and wisely is my choice.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 08:42:16 PM EST
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Hillary having second thoughts. (none / 0)

This article appeared this morning on MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27797924


by MainStreet on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 08:07:36 AM EST
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Re: Hillary having second thoughts. (none / 0)

That probably means that the vetting process is hanging up on something.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 09:52:10 AM EST
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Re: Hillary having second thoughts. (none / 0)

Something in Bill's past no doubt, since I can't believe Hillary isn't long over White Water.

Strange that this lady's potentials to be a great president was diminished so much by her husband's libido. Well by the same token, I suppose that Hillary Clinton would not be today what she is without the coattails of her husband, in spite of Lewinsky. Other female senators have done well without prominent husbands, so that I am not saying it is essential. In Hillary's case, it was unavoidable.

Just one of those things.


by MainStreet on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 01:03:12 PM EST
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Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (2.00 / 1)

Well Obama said he looked forward to having Hillary advise him...


by obama4presidente on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:58:57 AM EST

i remember (2.00 / 3)

your "i finally took my hillary sign down" diary. when i saw the title on this i started laughing.

my stickers are still on my windows (u know the new type of sticker which can peal off without leaving residue) Hillary's Obama's and an Obama/Biden one.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:20:10 AM EST

Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (1.50 / 4)

I never took my Hillary shrine down!!! The east end of my library/office (which you see from the street/entrance) still has my Hillary poster, autographed book from hillary and bill, my 8x10 photo of hillary and I all within eye sight.

My hillary bumper sticker will stay on until I sell the car.

And

my 4 hour DVD "Hillary - My Movie" sits proudly on display in our family room. I created this from a combination my own campaign photos/video footage along with videos I downloaded from the debates, the campaign, fun home-made fan music videos, speeches, etc....

I still talk to all the new friends I made that hit the campaign trail with me for Hillary.


by nikkid on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:23:23 AM EST

Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (2.00 / 0)

A "shrine?"  Scary...  I had to check out your diary to see if you were kidding, but it appears you're not.

I don't know why she would want the job, or think that she's obviously the best candidate, but... meh.  As long as she can keep Bill, his Foundation, and his friends (e.g. Ron Burkle and his love plane) from causing problems, I think she'd be fine as SoC.


I come here for the lulz.
by username on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:57:29 AM EST
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Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (2.00 / 3)

...and this after all the kool-aid, cult, messiah, and "The One" recriminations? You have a Hillary "shrine"? The hilarity.

Not surprising, but still.  Here's more funny:

So, when Obama spoke of the "long" primary being like the Bataan Death March - was he suggesting that Hillary Clinton be executed?

How dare he say such a horrible thing.

His reference to the long primary season and comparing it to such violence is unacceptable.

Should Obama step down for this?

But hey, whatever, you've been right about everything else:

But - McCain choosing Sarah Palin for Vice President.

THIS IS A GAME CHANGER.

He WILL syphon off WOMEN from the democratic party who feel VERY disenfranchised by the treatment of Hillary Clinton.

After Obama's speech last night, I was certain HE would be the next President.

I've changed my mind. The Democrats NEED women to win.

THIS selection was a GAME CHANGER.

I now believe McCain has put himself out there and shown he is a Maverick and not your average Republican.

Face the Facts:

Hillary Clinton is our nominee.

The exit polls from PA were the first telling signs that Obama's campaign was in trouble.

He loses in too many important categories: White Men, Women, Seniors, Catholics, Working class voters.

He loses the base of his own party.

There's no accounting for taste:

I'm so happy that Texas Darling is back on this site.  I also really enjoyed the diaries of Universal.

Nice judgement you got there:

Just sent in my absentee ballot here in CA.

I struggled, but stuck to my committment - I voted McCain/Palin for Pres - but Democrat on all other candidates and issues.

SNIP

OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT - DON'T FORGET THAT, she said. The ONLY path now (since Obama didn't pick her for VP) is McCain/Palin so that Hillary can run in 4 years before she is too old.

SNIP

So I voted McCain/Palin and Republican for Pres - first time since Regan's reelection.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 05:46:10 PM EST
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PWNd. n/t (2.00 / 1)


What is The October Protocol?
by Koan on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 08:05:10 PM EST
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Or perhaps PUMWNED (2.00 / 0)


I come here for the lulz.
by username on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 08:34:46 PM EST
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The best thing about the internet... (2.00 / 0)

...is that it has a looooong memory.

Goodbye, pumas.


I attended PUMACon '08!!!
by iohs2008 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:37:16 PM EST
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Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (2.00 / 2)

yes, but you did not notate THIS:

[I am a democrat and I am NOW on board with an Obama Presidency.

I was a PUMA, I'm no longer a PUMA because there is no point in holding on to the anger and hatred for the next 8 years ESPECIALLY when a President Obama has the SAME agenda as I do.

As a recently married gay woman here in Cali, I am at the protests and doing what I can to repeal prop H8. My best chance, all of our best chances to get anything done in the LGBT community is through an Obama administration. So - staying a PUMA or continuing to "fight" Obama makes absolutely NO SENSE.

I cannot think of ONE Republican that has MY interests at heart.

I want to do everything I can to get as many Democrats elected to EVERY office as possible.

Anyway - we all may not agree on everything, there will be things that Obama does that many don't agree with (already has happened) and if Hillary is SOS there may be many things she does that I or others don't agree with. The bottom line is we all have to know and realize that on basic core issues - WE ALL AGREE!!]


by nikkid on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:23:31 PM EST
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Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (2.00 / 0)

So you came to the conclusion that there is not one Republican that has your interests at heart after you voted for McCain and Palin?

Would you have come to this same conclusion if McCain/Palin would have won?

This is what I never understood about PUMAs. I understood being upset. I understood not voting for Obama. I did not understand voting for the very people who are actively working against the very ideas that you support. They are working actively against the person that you are. But somehow these PUMAS couldn't make this conclusion.


by PSUdan on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 08:44:49 AM EST
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Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (none / 0)

ahhhhh yes.....but when you have the LUXURY of knowing your vote won't count anyway - it doesn't really matter....

I'm not in colorado or florida - I'm in California and I watched the polls EVERY DAY and watched Obama's numbers CLIMB from 15% to 20% to 25% lead..

The absentee ballot says "if you change your mind, you can change your vote on election day".....

I had "his back" in case....had the numbers been much closer - I MIGHT have done something VERY different (like write Hillary's name in, which several of my family members did - or even vote for Obama) - but my vote for President was not going to count and therefore, I had the luxury and opportunity to make my statement of protest, which I did.

Now - I'm over it and on board. Do I relapse into "pissiness"? Yes I do - but I catch myself and am moving on.  I still don't fully trust Obama, but I am trying to.

I can only explain it as being like some Obama supporters being "leary" of Hillary as SoS.

The only way we can all move on is to get over the primary and embrace the fact that Hillary and Obama may be working closely together if she is SoS....


by nikkid on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 11:43:15 PM EST
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Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (2.00 / 2)

Well, they love her over at The Weekly Standard:

There appears to be little angst among conservatives at the prospect of Hillary Clinton joining the Obama administration as Secretary of State. The idea was warmly embraced by Henry Kissinger, who our President-elect seems to hold in high-esteem, Governor Schwarzenegger, who likely has no more sway on Obama than the proverbial guy in the neighborhood, and Jon Kyl -- surely Senator McCain put in a good word today as well. The love affair that was sparked last spring between Clinton and the Obama-fearing right continues to smolder, surely a surprise to those who suspected that such an unholy alliance couldn't last beyond the convention. Whether Clinton would accept the job, or why she would want it, is not clear, but the right would be happy enough to have her.

On the issues, Clinton's a hawk. Not only did she vote to authorize the war in Iraq, she delivered her vote in style -- her floor speech on October 10, 2002, went so far as to connect Saddam to al Qaeda:

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. [emphasis mine]

Clinton flipped on the war, but as the nomination slipped out of her reach last spring she spoke of the threats this country faces, and of the prescriptions offered by Obama, in language that would warm the hearts of neoconservatives (if we had them). She threatened to "obliterate" Iran in response to unprovoked aggression against Israel, she spoke of unconditional meetings with the leaders of rogue states as "irresponsible and, frankly, naive," and she castigated Obama's transparent saber-rattling on Pakistan ("last summer [Obama] basically threatened to bomb Pakistan, which I don't think was a particularly wise position to take."). On matters of diplomacy, Clinton's views are not so different from those held by John McCain and most Republicans -- and they are certainly well to the right of Obama.

Of course, if Clinton takes the job one expects she'll be loyal to her new boss. Though it would be extremely entertaining, we probably wouldn't see Madame Secretary working to undermine an Obama administration with recalcitrance and rogue diplomacy. But then Colin Powell was a dutiful soldier while inside the Bush administration and that still didn't prevent him from becoming a foil for the administration's opponents. It's not difficult to imagine Clinton performing a similar service for Republicans. She could be held up as the very model of a responsible Democrat, forced against her better judgment to partake in a series of reckless diplomatic escapades pursued by a more ideological president.

Clinton would be a fine Secretary of State, and she is likely to be a nuisance to Obama whether she is inside or outside of his administration, but as our top diplomat she could reprise a role that made Powell a kingmaker in this year's election. And perhaps she could even present the case for war with Iran to an insubordinate United Nations in the event that Obama's personal diplomacy somehow fails to deter the mullahs from their present course.

The Weekly Standard


"As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where-where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border."
by fugazi on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:06:28 AM EST

Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (2.00 / 4)

Who, exactly, is upset about this potential move? I see a lot of people like Ben Smith insinuating (w/ blind quotes no less) that Obama supporters are upset about this move. However, I fail to see any evidence of any real opposition to this move.

If anyone would be upset about this move, it would be me. I supported Obama from day one, detested the Clinton's behavior in the Primary, and yet I still realize that Hillary is very intelligent and a perfect fit for SoS. Plus, I realize that surrounding yourself with people who do not always agree with you is how Obama said he would govern from DAY ONE.

It's a manufactured controversy.

Nothing to see here. Move on.


Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:13:47 AM EST

Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (2.00 / 1)

I could not have said it better myself. Well put.

Let's put the team together and see how they work.


by mtg44234 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:19:36 AM EST
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almost in the same boat (none / 0)

I feel very strongly that NY needs Hillary in the senate.
However, Obama should be allowed to choose his team, and if he wants her... then so be it!
I won't be calling him saying "please Hillary" but...
yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:35:22 AM EST
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Re: almost in the same boat (2.00 / 2)

And your concerns are legitimate. There's many people with legitimate questions and concerns.

However, contrary to what some of the media sops want us to believe, what there is not is any group or subgroup of Obama supporters that oppose Hillary as SoS, especially not based solely on the events of the heated Primary season.

People have their questions and concerns, but there is no backlash. Just a media-manufactured controversy.

Methinks the Media is sad that Obama doesn't bring any Drama so they gots to make some sheyat up.


Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:40:21 AM EST
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truedat. (none / 0)

just look at how long they spent on Rahmbo!
i think they got addicted to politics and can't turn off...
yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 12:08:53 PM EST
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Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (none / 0)

I laughed out loud at Ben Smith's quote

"These are people who believe in this stuff more than Barack himself does," said a Democrat close to Obama's campaign.
I mean, hell, I'd only need slight delusions of grandeur to believe that I'm a "Democrat close to the Obama campaign," at least in my area: "I mean, I'm friends with about a dozen field organizers on Facebook and, and..."

A side effect of the trust Obama placed in his grassroots is that there are thousands and thousands of people who honestly were "close to the campaign." And that makes assertions by Ben Smith absurd at best.


by Exhausted Pennsylvanian on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 12:49:42 PM EST
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Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (none / 0)

"Who, exactly, is upset about this potential move?"

Well, I am. But I'm not an American citizen and I live in the Balkans which suffered the most during  the Clinton presidency, and that's why I don't want to see any Clinton having anything to do with foreign policy ever again.

I want someone knowledgeable like Holbrook in the state department, not a star with her own fans who build shrines to her glorious name and who inevitably has her own ambitions. Especially when the presidency of her husband was so bad where foreign policy in my area of the world was concerned.


by Aris Katsaris2 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 02:16:42 PM EST
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Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (none / 0)

I can understand your concern.

However, Secretary of State does not set the foreign policy agenda, at least not unilaterally. The direction of our foreign policy will be determined by one person, the President. The SoS is responsible for implementing the President's foreign policy agenda.


Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 03:25:34 PM EST
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Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (1.00 / 0)

You admit your no citizen and can not participate nor vote in our processes. I suggest you politely buzz out and worry about your own country and it's own problems.


by Iceblinkjm on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 04:25:03 PM EST
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Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (2.00 / 2)

Well, I am a US citizen but have been resident overseas for twenty-four years.  I'm wondering if your particular brand of insular political nativism, at least as far as expressing an opinion is concerned, would also exclude me from this discussion?


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 04:59:03 PM EST
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Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (2.00 / 0)

Yeah, how very strange and inappropriate that a "foreigner" would be interested in your "foreign policy".

If you were Switzerland, a country that was traditionally neutral and isolationist, you might have a point: your elections wouldn't have much of an impact on the rest of the world.

As it is, they do have an impact, and you don't have a point.


by Aris Katsaris2 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 06:53:30 PM EST
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Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (2.00 / 0)

Yet he somehow manages to contribute more to this board than you.  And despite perhaps not speaking English as his first language, I'll bet he knows the difference between "your" (belonging to you) and "you're" (you are); and between "its" (belonging to it) and "it's" (it is).


I come here for the lulz.
by username on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 08:38:32 PM EST
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Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (none / 0)

I am not upset. Rather I wonder if she is the best person for the job. i.e. is this a good move for diplomacy or good move because it keeps Clinton from causing mischief.


by TMP on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 04:41:51 PM EST
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Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (none / 0)

Yeah, I haven't seen any Obama people very upset about this--most seem to think it's a good decision, as long as she'll follow Obama's policies and Bill won't mess up.

Most of the fire today has been directed at the Lieberman thing.


by Bush Bites on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:46:49 PM EST
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Can someone tell the difference. (2.00 / 1)

Both Obama and Hillary have the same foreign policy visions.
Yes, even on Iran.
They are both willing to talk to Iran let it be with preconditions, preperations or what have you.
by rolnitzky on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:17:03 AM EST

What would Obama have done. (1.66 / 3)

Judging on how all senators with aspirations to the presidency voted on Iraq (Clinton, Edwards, Kerry, Biden), I think it's fair to think that Barack would have voted for war authorization as well.
I opposed the Iraq war from the start, but I, just like Barack wasn't in the Senate then, facing fabricated intelligence, a president with 90% approval and a public still yearning for Arab blood.
by rolnitzky on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:22:12 AM EST

Re: What would Obama have done. (2.00 / 5)

Lets not go down that road again.  His opposition to the war was both prescient and showed courage, but it's well past time to stop bashing those who got it wrong.  We can move forward without pretending Obama would have made the same mistake if he was in the Senate.  


by HSTruman on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:45:33 AM EST
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Re: What would Obama have done. (2.00 / 3)

Amen, brother.


Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 12:23:37 PM EST
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Re: What would Obama have done. (2.00 / 1)

this is something that none of us will ever be able to know. let's just leave it a 'neutral' then. trumpeting it as a given is somehow just as faulty as assuming it as he'd have voted as the others. Doing the former just opens the door to backlashing the latter in threads.  it's history, and aside from the clear drum-thumpers for this like McCain-Lieberman, I don't think it should be used to clobber anyone.


by swissffun on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 01:03:05 PM EST
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Re: What would Obama have done. (none / 0)

Obama was vocally against the war AS he was running for his Senate seat. That was the riskiest thing for him to do and he did it without equivocating. I can not see how being a senator and being vocally against the war would be a greater risk.


by TMP on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 04:39:46 PM EST
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Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (2.00 / 1)

THANK YOU --- fantastic and simply put. It's tragic the CDS that still pervades MyDD - it's long time to acknowledge her positives and stopping trying to destroy her at every turn. she's shown beyond any doubt her support of Obama during the GE. Obviously Obama appreciates her otherwise there'd not be the vast leaking of this nomination. It seems just a few of the die hards won't let bygones be bygones.

thanks!


by swissffun on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 12:38:04 PM EST

And... (1.60 / 5)

THANK YOU --- fantastic and simply put. It's tragic the CDS...

There we are!  It's "Clinton Derangement Syndrome," the battle meow of Puma-Lite.  It's been funny to see Alegre and Armando shouting it at anyone with any criticism of Bill or Hillary.  You think her ex-President, globe-trotting, huge-foundation-running husband should be vetted?  CDS!  You happen to think someone else would be a better choice?  CDS!

(Note: I don't feel strongly one way or the other about Clinton for SoS.  I just think the sudden rise of the new chant is funny.)


I come here for the lulz.
by username on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 12:46:27 PM EST
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Re: And... (none / 0)

not how I'm meaning it - very sorry if you've been pigeon-holed with CDS for the reasons you mention - I wouldn't make that judgement. No, it's the hyperbolic TRing of anything 'positive' about HRC or any defence of HRC, or branding someone as a deadender for doing either of the above that I suspect is CDS.

it's the Democratic Party, we should be more than secure enough after the past election to survive healthy critique of any of our leaders.


by swissffun on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 12:52:16 PM EST
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Re: And... (2.00 / 3)

I agree with you, but I've seen a lot of this preemptive labeling cropping up recently among the usual suspects (here comes Krugman), and it reminds me of the maddening and deeply stupid "Kool-aid" talk we dealt with last spring.


I come here for the lulz.
by username on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 02:17:07 PM EST
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Re: And... (2.00 / 0)

I do have to say that I am a little worried about the CDS accusations flying around.   Armondo is throwing them around again for anyone who thinks that Bill has baggage.

It is impossible to have any legitimate discussion without CDS coming up.

Just because I think Bill could potentially cause trouble, does not mean I am suffering from CDS.  I think that she could do a great job, but Bill must realize SHE is the SOS, not him.  


by gavoter on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 05:26:54 PM EST
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Re: And... (none / 0)

there is a lot of aggressive tr'ing of positive clinton comments, i've experienced it.   i wasn't accusing any one in this thread with having 'cds' just pointing out my regret that it still pops up here. also am disheartened by as mentioned above 'puma'esque aversion to anything pro-Obama.


by swissffun on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 06:36:31 PM EST
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Re: And... (none / 0)

frankly I'm also ambivalent to the SoS talk, and am not sure how it would benefit her - but I'll leave that to them to decide. The chant seems to have started with leaks from the Obama transition team that she was first being considered, and then that she'd actually been offered the position.


by swissffun on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 12:57:11 PM EST
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or was it "leaked" by clinton people (2.00 / 1)

To pressure Obama to do what they want? Would not be the first time.


by TMP on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 04:45:21 PM EST
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Re: And... (none / 0)

Instead of worrying about how it will benefit her, why don't you concern yourself with how it will benefit the US?
As for the "CDS" mentioned above, this blog was one of the friendliest out there to Clinton supporters, which is why I and many others came here.
There was a lot of bad behavior (going to other blogs to get "friends" who never post one comment to come and rec your diaries, for example?) on both sides. Get over it.
"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 04:52:43 PM EST
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Re: And... (2.00 / 1)

actually I think it'd be a win for the country if she did serve as SoS, and also perhaps a good thing if she stayed in the Senate to help shephard the important issues she raised in the primary, like health care. thus, i think i can wonder if it'd be a good move for her - since either way, it'll be good for the country.


by swissffun on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 06:38:28 PM EST
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Re: And... (none / 0)

Oh God, they're not using that silly Krauthammer term too, are they?

Anybody who quotes some kind of made-up "syndrome" by that hack really should be hanging out at Redstate.


by Bush Bites on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:43:52 PM EST
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Good for you! And I hope they agree soon! (none / 0)

I can't stand this mini-soap opera.  It doesn't reflect well on either team, though the ultimate goal is worth the price of this clumsy dance.

Hillary will be a great Secretary of State.

I just hope she takes the job.


by maconblue on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 08:33:15 PM EST

Re: Good for you! And I hope they agree soon! (none / 0)

Well according to MSNBC she wont be SOS.

The fact that a news story liked this even leaked is a good sign that she probably doesn't want the job.

I am not surprised by this because I figured she would want to stay Senator anyway.  She is still young enough to serve 3-4 more terms in the Senate versus 4-6 years in State


by gavoter on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 08:35:36 AM EST
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Maybe... (none / 0)

you should amend your sign with:

Hillary Clinton
for
President
S.O.S.
Secretary Of State

maybe?


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:44:40 PM EST

Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (none / 0)

A campaign sign for Secretary of State?


by Bush Bites on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:39:49 PM EST

Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (none / 0)

Can anyone remember the cowboy diplomacy of "Dead or Alive", we will "Hunt him out", that cocky swagger into the United Nations W. did when he already decided to invade Iraq, the Mission Accomplished sign...

Sure. I also remember Hillary threatening to "obliterate" Iran.

I think she's wrong on Iran, and wrong on Israel/Palestine, and therefore a poor choice for Secretary of State.

She is qualified for any other cabinet post, in my opinion. (except maybe secretary of defense)


by nwodtuhs on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 12:06:13 AM EST

Re: I put my Hillary sign back up (none / 0)

She's wrong on Israel/Palestine?

Care to elaborate on your sweeping judgment?


by Sieglinde on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 06:21:49 PM EST
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What I don't get (none / 0)

What I don't get:  the likes of David Ignatius and Tom Friedman predicating their analysis on (a) Hillary Clinton's super-star power, and (b) Hillary and Obama not "having each other's back", i.e., they don't trust each other.  Friedman went all out to even say that Obama's mother-in-law may be a more effective Secretary of State than Hillary.

What they keep on missing is that Hillary has shown nothing but professionalism in the way she has conducted herself in her career.  She is a team player.  Remember the time when she began in the Senate, when everyone predicted this Bitch Queen to dominate and disrupt the collegiality of the old learned men?  Even Republicans are now praising her work ethic.  Remember when the primaries ended, and everyone worried that she'd be Drama Queen to undermine Obama's chances to get elected?  She has campaigned all out for the Democratic ticket wherever she's sent, disappointing columnists looking for that Clinton-Obama drama to sell their respective newspapers.

So now, all of a sudden, the same old Superstar Queen will somehow fuck up Obama's foreign policy by her sheer popularity and the oft-quoted "baggage" she carries.  The "baggage" known as Bill Clinton (and his global dealings) is of course a valid point; but this argument that she's somehow too big to be a team player is preposterous.

If/when Hillary winds up becoming SoS, prepare to be surprised again.


by Sieglinde on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 06:37:32 PM EST


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